12 May 2006 @ 09:17 pm
The sjm case.  
Many things have happened in the past half a month; and following the boys for 5 weeks in Korea also made me meet people, talk about things, acknowledge others.
I heard many things about what I supposedly think or what I have supposedly done, and not all of it is true. I don't care if people don't like me, but if they don't then it should at least be for real facts, not because of rumors. So there's how I think:


The fact is, I don't have the time to check on my boys in Korea and my boys in China. I had to make a choice.
Which was easily done.

Supi have Korea, I know where to check stuff, I understand the language more, I went to Korea for 5 weeks. They also have Jungsoo. Big help, I have to confess. Ah, and Chinese videos are m-lq..

SJM have my boys, but they also have the drama in the fandom following them, and 2 members that I have been so-so about for a long time because more than just often hearing not so great things about them, I also just didn't want to be attached to them too much. Because then, it would be too hard to support the 13 as I wanted to. But 'not being attached' doesn't mean that I don't like them. I absolutely never hated Henry, or said anything bad about him. I did say something bad about Zhoumi once after seeing him at the hotel in Thailand, and I still don't really know why I wrote this.. I wanted to make a public entry to annoy the hell out of some people who hate me (and also see how much time they would need to find out that I had a new public entry. Answer = pretty quick, less than 12 hours) but I thought that the fact that I also posted the Zhoumi picture in the super Junior community along with my report, and just the fact that I took pictures of him, would show that I did care a bit.. I'm not a paparazzi taking pictures just for the sake of taking pictures. But yeah, i screwed up on that public entry, and I quickly realized it and deleted the post 24 hours after posting it.

But people didn't believed me anyway, even before that entry, when I was saying that I didn't hate them at all. I always said that even though I was only13, I didn't hate Zhoumi and Henry. People never believed me and crescendo even said once that I was "always repeating the same excuses". Sorry to tell you but it's not 'excuses'. It's fact. I know what I feel and I don't hate them.
But maybe you are confused. I can be friends with people without agreeing 100% with what they say. I think some people forgot that along the way.
But whatever what some people think~ To tell you the truth I never even heard of 99% of the people who supposedly hate me. I see them in hate memes posting non-anonymously, or on some links people give me. Well. lol, okay~

As I was talking about my mistakes, I'll also talk about the second one I made. And in my memory, I did 2 stupid things in this fandom: The Zhoumi entry, which was a real screw up, and the only5 icons post in the public community. I wasn't realizing at that time how fierce some people were. I was just thinking 'you don't agree, then just don't care about it' ...But it would have been too easy. People started hating me because it sounded like I wasn't treating Zhoumi and Henry as humans or something... Maybe that's how you saw it, but I'll just explain how I was seeing it, because it wasn't like this, and if it sounded like this, I apologize.

The pictures used for those icons were official pictures. And changing them to have only Hangeng, Siwon, Donghae, Ryeowook and Kyuhyun was just something to say 'the way it should have been' to SM, because for me, it was. Not because Henry and Zhoumi don't deserve to be recognized and to become famous, I really don't know anything about Zhoumi except his performance of the Lion King song (lol) but I know for Henry that he is talented. But I... It's selfish, and it's coming from fear. I don't mind them being in SJM because it's good for them and it's good for the boys in China to have other Chinese members but it comes from fear to maybe see them being added in the main band.
Ever since ELF started in September to chant and protest for the safety of the 13, SM never said anything. If they weren't planning to add Zhoumi and Henry, they could have just said so. No more drama, no more chants to edit out of every single performance.
But they didn't, the only thing they officially answered was "The fans misunderstood what we said, Super Junior never stopped being a project band". For me, that was clear enough, like they meant "We will add new members in the future". So when SJM started, as much as they could have said that they were only here for SJM, I was scared. Because SM does anything they want, and they don't care about what ELF thinks. They just do it. And the problem comes from them, and only from them. I know that Henry and Zhoumi don't decide why and where they go. And as far as I know, Henry said that he didn't want to join the main super Junior band..
But there we are, and as much as it doesn't seem that they will be added, I'm still quite scared, because it's SM, and they can do anything, and it will be too late to say anything when they will be added, it's now that we have to speak up. I'm French, the queen country of strikes, and I can tell you that's how things work. lol~

But anyway i know that seeing how things are now, I wouldn't do those icons again. (And for the record, I never blurred or edited any pictures~)

Now, with a talk I had with a friend for the past 2 days, I started wondering again.
Last time I 'checked my stand' (lol), it was when SJM debuted. I tried to think what I wanted, and I decided and that was it. I wasn't hating them, I was just going to not care that much about them. I didn't want to get attached. Not a crime.

But then again.. These days I've started to think again, and it's crazy to take so much time on an issue like this: fandom, a boyband. When we say it like that it sounds pretty stupid.


Jungsoo and Youngoon said it at the 1000day party. They are only13. Forever. And they will 'protect 13 members'... But that's not the only thing they said.
Jungsoo asked everyone to support SJM, and ALL the members. Youngoon cares about henry a lot, and I won't even speak of the Kyumi and the Ryeo-henry. lol.

And when I remember that, I can't help but wonder if I really 'supported SJM', and ...all his members. The fact that I tried to stay away from SJM added to the few mistakes I made... it made me feel that I didn't support them.
On one hand, should I listen and follow every of Jungsoo's words. Soon he will ask me to jump out of the window and I will do it ( and it will please a lot of people around here~ right ? Well I know, you would prefer me to have a more violent death, but that's a start. )


Okay, I'm getting lost here, let's get back on track.
The fact is that I can't make a 90° turn in a day just like that. I can't change the way I'm seeing things in a blink of an eye. And I don't know where it's going to lead me.
I don't want Henry and Zhoumi to be added in the main band, not them and not any other boy. I don't want them to become regular members. My Super Junior are 13.

But I want to acknowledge Zhoumi and Henry more than what I did in the past. I know they deserve more love. And i know my boys love them. And I think they can become lovable very easily.

But they will never be Super Junior regular members in my heart. Not even in the leader's heart if SM decide that they will.

There's someone who doesn't like me, who's friend with a friend of mine, who said something that I like:


My super Junior are 13, the super junior family is 15.

I guess I'm slowly changing my mind this way. And I just wanted to write it down for the past few weeks... It also helps me to think. and I wanted to appologise for the Zhoumi entry.
That's still only what I believe in, and I don't ask anyone to do the same, and I don't care what people think. This is just me, period~
 
 
 
 
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☁ joan[info]aurorae on August 20th, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
I guess people do change when they meet new people, seeing new things and stuff. I changed too, in fact. ^^ I do not hate you, seriously. I know like how KT said during their 1000th day anni to support all of their members and I thought the same too as you. Perhaps it's time to acknowledge them and giving them more love.

But there are still times when I'm still upset about people talking about us the Only13 supporters who hate Henry and Zhoumi. I read about what they talk about us, and calling us the 'bad', 'horrible', 'ignorant' people. I don't bother but it hurts a little to be called something like that. Somehow, I was already giving up before I can even try. :|

I can accept these two boys, but...those new fangirls(should I call them that? anyway) make it seems like we are the bad guys and it's hard to accept the way the said it.

My super Junior are 13, the super junior family is 15.
Agreed. There are lot more I want to say but perhaps it'll be too long in a comment lol. :p And oh yes, I'm not pleased to see if you were to jump off even if Jungsoo ask you to. :D ♥
END가 아닌 AND로。 (ی∂ị∂)[info]kyuppuccino on August 20th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
야..일게감동시켜도돼??
자랑스럽게울고있어ㅠㅠ진짜사랑해~내바겟트?ㅋ
당분간니맘대로해라..언니가항상여기있고
무엇이든예기하고싶을때언니한테와..
언닌언제나널후원한다..♥
그래서..이제서로싸우지않도록노력하자^^~!
그리고..슈주엠에대해이야기를듣고싶을때..내말좀들어봐 :D 어~


trsl later, too braindead for French ㅠㅠ
날개잃은천사 ~ ;; ☆[info]jungsoo on August 20th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
Stop writing without spaces like Jungsoo !!! ㅠㅠ (and slang ? ㅠㅠㅠㅠ)
*is killer her brain translating* lol
END가 아닌 AND로。 (ی∂ị∂)[info]kyuppuccino on August 20th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
It's not rly imp, just trivial thoughts
give me 15 mins for dinner and I'll bb on msn
Dork but cuty idols[info]vivisectionlj on August 20th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
C'est courageux de se poser autant de questions et de faire des excuses, même si c'était pas forcément indispensable ^^
T'as le droit de poster les icones que tu veux, les entrées que tu veux sur ton LJ qui correspondent à un état d'esprit précis à un moment donné, même si ça peut changer dans le futur !

J'aime Henry, Zhoumi, la plupart des suju et je suis pas du tout only13 etc.. mais je respecte les différents avis, surtout s'ils sont nuancés

(et puis henry qui joue Tears quoi.. ;_;)
날개잃은천사 ~ ;; ☆: 슈주 ㅡ 특 & 헨리[info]jungsoo on August 21st, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
arf putain je savais pas qu'il avait fait tears je viens de checker youtube et j'ecoute là *-* <3

(mais tfacon henry moi j'ai tjs dis qu'il etait trop fort XD Depuis le debut avec sa perf a star king et tout ~ aha .. je suis juste une incomprise :p )
chellet[info]dearavenue on August 21st, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
I understand what you say... I think there were just a lot of misunderstanding about this issue and it was really out of hand. :/

I hope people would stop hating on you for this one reason... T_T
날개잃은천사 ~ ;; ☆[info]jungsoo on August 22nd, 2008 09:05 am (UTC)
lol I don't think they will, and I'm not asking them to XD

Well, if at least it could be for good reasons an real ones, it would be a start~
-*- rasinah -*-: yesung[info]rasinah on August 22nd, 2008 08:58 am (UTC)
ah, i've been wondering where you stand in all this.

i love jungsoo, truly i do. and i know he's a very tender-hearted and loving person. i have no doubts that he supports henry and zhoumi, and the rest of them, for that matter. i know they are friends. like it or not, they are like extended family.

but much as i love jungsoo (and even if jongwoon says the same thing himself and supposedly he did say 13 is an insignificant number), i can't open up my heart to the two just yet. i'm reluctant. and if i get called ignorant for that, let it be. i don't want to be a hypocrite. i can't smile and say, yes, i'll follow your words, jungsoo.

i guess we all need time. ^^~
날개잃은천사 ~ ;; ☆[info]jungsoo on August 22nd, 2008 09:04 am (UTC)
Well, Jongwoon said that in the SM MAGAZINE XD So if there's something insignificant, it's the interview ._.

And I'm thinking about it since end of july when he said it at the 1000day party so... Not really a suddent change of mine either XD And I need time I'm not all *love love* at all for now, I just want to support them more cause it's Jungsoo and... yeah.

But for the soompi issue for instance that is going on now... I have issues about this I know what Gaia mean and it's not stupid but.. I still can't bring myself to accept zhoumi and henryt o be discussed in the main thread as if they were regular members. -_-


(you have msn or aim ?)
-*- rasinah -*-: melts[info]rasinah on August 22nd, 2008 09:15 am (UTC)
i have msn: lady-rae@hotmail.com

and i understand what you mean about the whole soompi issue. ^^;
날개잃은천사 ~ ;; ☆[info]jungsoo on August 22nd, 2008 09:17 am (UTC)
Okay I added you, i'm naitomea_@hotmail.fr ^^

chalakchalak[info]chalakchalak on August 22nd, 2008 06:39 pm (UTC)
added you as a friend because you share the same love for Suju as I do so even though I don't know you AT ALL, I would like to say a few things.

First, I completely understand the fact that you don't hate the two Chinese members and I admire that because many people do. To me, for ANYONE to hate two people without even knowing them is unreasonable.

Second of all, my personal opinion of the whole controversy of the Only13 and whatnot is something to be extremely careful with. In many forums, there's a split caused within the E.L.F. community. Fans are actually fighting over the SAME group. It's ridiculous, I think because SM entertainment is getting what it wants (I think the worst of them after hearing all the stuff they've done and promises broken). I go into a Super Junior thread at forums and find that the entire SJM members are not mentioned, even the ones that ARE OFFICIALLY SUJU.

I'm quite aware I'm writing an essay here but I just want fans to understand where I'm coming from because from your post, junsoon, I see that you can't even see a single hair of the two chinese members without the entire Suju community going nuts over it which only causes us fans to split and fight with one another.

Ok, I think I'm done. I just want to remind all of us once more that we're supposed to be united, One love, E.L.F. but lately it seems to be kinda united, Half of love, and certaintly not E.L.F.

All the best,
ChalakChalak

PS- Your icon is LOVE!
yanasot: teukmnet[info]yanasot on September 2nd, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC)
i don't even know why i'm commenting cos we both don't know each other except for knowing you as gaia's friend and fellow angel worshipper, lol. and i'm ruining your beautiful 13 comments.

anyway just like you, MY super junior is 13. i see the love between henry hae and wook. i see the smiles, i sense the love. i see kyu and zhoumi and how close they are. but i can't accept them. i don't know if this stance is going to be forever, or if i'm going to change. i definitely don't hate them, they are talented individuals but i can't see them as super junior members.

as much as i love jungsoo, i cannot accept them as of yet. i am acknowledging them more, but i've never been interested in chinese music so it's more of no-interest for me rather than not-liking-you-so-i'm-not-listening-to-you kind of thing.

truthfully, it kind of broke my heart when i saw gaia's updated first page on soompi where links to zhoumi and henry's picture thread were added alongside suju's links. but i'm in no position to say anything and i accept gaia's stance on this issue.

gaia, i'm not against you, anyhow. it's just my personal feeling and if you feel offended, i'm sorry.

i honestly don't know where i'm going with this, haha. but i'd just like to tell you that if you're wondering if there's another one in the same ship/boat with you, i'm one of those (:
psycho_razarud[info]psycho_razarud on November 6th, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)
well, it's not just you...
me too, i don't hate them but i just try not to care...actually if i must say, I like seeing henry and his violin..really...
but to think that they'll be super junior official, i can't think about that, the truth is i don't want to...
I really really don't want SJ have more than 13 members...even if it's not my rights to decide though...
I'm not hating them but i don't want them to join SJ not becoz i dislike them...it a little difficult to show it with just words. It must have been hard for you...but I understands that kind of feelings
duffje[info]duffje on November 8th, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)
Hii, I think Zhoumi and Henry are very talented members of Suju M. Sometimes I have hatred feelings towards them, but when I think clearly I would be like: For what am I hating them? Just because they are friends and members of Suju M?
It's not Zhoumi's and Henry's fault they are part of SM Entertainment, it could happen to any other trainee of SM.

Mostly I ignore new pics or info about Zhoumi or Henry. Not because I hate them, but because i'm scared...scared that SJ will break up. The day that one or more of 13 members leaves the group...is the day i'm losing SJ.
SJ has been the most precious thing in my life so far.

I know there's been alot commotion between two different groups of fans, as well on soompi. I hope sj-world.net can get us together.

Let's not forget,
"We are one, no matter when or what."
Together we can realise our boys dream: "Until Pearl Sapphire Blue covers the world."

(If that means loving 2 boys more, I'm willing to do so.)
lord_jedi: K.R.Y.[info]lordjedi on December 12th, 2008 02:27 pm (UTC)
You don't have to actually follow all the guys' words. Be it right or wrong.

You are big enough I believe. You know what is wrong and what is right.

Some people changed because 'Teukie asked fans to support SJM' or when they see how close Kyu and Zhou Mi or Wookie and Henry. I'm glad you are not the one of them. :)

From the start, Henry and Zhou Mi are innocent, we do not need Teukie nor Yesungie to tell us to support them.

I will always be Only13 but I know how screwed SM is. So, I don't expect anything since when I don't have any expectations, there will be no dissapoitment...

~ Listening to Fin.K.L's Eternity now. ^^ I love this song. :) Wish fandom is not as bad as it is today. When K-Pop at it's best; white balloons, yellow baloons, red balloons and purple baloons can swing together in harmony.. :)
helsic_eng[info]helsic_eng on December 21st, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
I was not Only13 because I didn't like the way that Korean ELF do the demonstrations. BUT, now I accept that Sj is only 13 members, as a fan I try to understand the potition of the boys and the commpany and I just support whatever that they want ^^

In fact, I love ZhouMi because he is so sweet and charismatic, but I'm concious that Sj is only13. Anyway, I'll support the boys~~

I like this:
My super Junior are 13, the super junior family is 15.

I olso think, that the friendship is more important that a Ideology and if everybody are humans ^^ I have a lot of only13 friends and a lot of SJ15 friends... and I don't care... is something like racims LOL

Hwaiting! ^^